[Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4

[Anbu sivam2]

Shyamji,

Quote: "My aim (as the title of my series indicates) is to show that the
traditional position is this - without sannyasa, even if one acquires samyag
Jnana, it does not confer the fruit of jivanMukti."

You did ably show the traditional position.  But how would you explain great
many Gnanis from Janaka onwards who remained Jivanmukthas without entering
Sanyasa Aasrama?

Sringeri Aacharya seem to have sent an emissery to Bhagavan Ramana with a
message to him to take to Sanyasa.  The messenger said to Bhagavan "I am
going to have dharshan of Arunachaleswarar now and when I come back I need
an answer from you".  As soon as the gentleman left, a man who sells books
like a street hawker came to Bhagavan and opened his cloth bundle, took out
a book and gave to Bhagavan and left.  The gentleman from Sringeri came back
from the temple.  Bhagavan opened the book and the man got curious! Bhagavan
gave him the book with that page opened and he read in it a stanza
attributing to Shiva that for a realized person asrama dharma is simply
useless!

Later on, on another occassion when someone asked Bhagavan Ramana as to what
is dharma, he said: "If you see a realized person, whatever that person does
is dharma."

'na karmaNa, na prajaya, na dhana -  thyaagEnaikE amrithathvamaanasuhu'.
You can be idle, childless and poor but it would not confer amrithathvam.
So, here the thyaagam is not of karma or praja or dhana but of the intellect
that guards the ego.  Without the intellect the ego dies in no time!



On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Shyam <shyam_md at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Sivam-ji
> Pranams.
>
> You write:
> My humble interlude with Shyamji was to bring to his attention that
> self-inquiry is not to be deferred to any particular ashrama.
> ***
> My response:
>
> Please note that I am not saying one must postpone vichara for jnanaprapti
> until one takes sannyasa - although this is by all means the ideal situation
> - not the "postponement" part but the "taking sannyasa part" :)
>
> My aim (as the title of my series indicates) is to show that the
> traditional position is this - without sannyasa, even if one acquires samyag
> Jnana, it does not confer the fruit of jivanMukti.
>
> Hari OM
> Shri Gurubhyoh namah
> Shyam
>
>
>
>
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