[Advaita-l] shudra

[Michael Shepherd]

Anbu,

I didn't say that atmaseva or atmajnana or atmanikshepa or atmavichara or
any other activity, sublates varnashrama. Though some among the greatest
might argue that. I'm not sufficiently versed to argue these fine points or
cavil over them. Any examples I might dream up (excuse the expression) as
the sages sometimes do to such effect, where buddhi calls for the 'higher'
act, would be poor things.

'A brahmin, a kshatriya, a vaisya and a sudra were drinking together in a
juice bar..when in came a wounded gangster...' -- I'll leave that one to the
storytellers..

What I might risk saying (on this site, a ton of sacred dungbricks might
descend...) is that varnashrama carried out in the constant memory of
ayamatmabrahma is probably carried out better !

(Anyone who 'has the workmen in' prefers a sudra with sacchidananda, right ?
I don't myself always live up to this..)

Michael ;-]

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Michael,

What exactly is 'atmaseva'.  Give us some examples.  Why would that be
superior to varnasrama dharma?

Anbu

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Michael Shepherd <
michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Jaldhar
>
> I've had this answer of yours for a few days, but I'd like to question it
:
>
> Atmajnana may be even rarer than the merit of a human birth (what must we
> have done ? Been good dogs ? good snakes ?...) -- but surely atmaseva is
> something within our reach and duty, whether identifiable as our
> varnadharma
> or not ?
>
> It asks nothing but to allow atman as witness to all our thoughts and
words
> and actions ?
>
> Michael :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> H. Vyas
> Sent: 25 August 2009 07:50
> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] shudra
>
>
>
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Michael Shepherd wrote:
>
> > I'd like to think that in essence -- and in Sanatana Dharma -- all varna
> are
> > united in atmaseva ?
> >
>
> Would that it were true!  Unfortunately of all who have earned the merit
> of a human birth, only a rare few will dedicate themselves to knowing the
> atma.  That's why they should be cherished whoever they are.
>
> --
> Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
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