[Advaita-l] waking, dreaming, sleeping, as mutually supportive
Shyam
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Sat Oct 24 07:45:09 CDT 2009
Pranams.
Acharya Sadananda-ji's website is
http://advaitaforum.org/
It contains a welath of information related to vedanta - as a devotee of Bhagwan Ramana you may be particularly interested in the videos of Acharya Sada-ji's talks on sad-darshanam.
Hari OM
Shyam
--- On Sat, 10/24/09, C S P Sarma <csp_sarma at yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: C S P Sarma <csp_sarma at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] waking, dreaming, sleeping, as mutually supportive
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 6:56 AM
> What is Sadanand'a's Website?
> Thanks.
>
>
> With best regards,
> Yours sincerely,
> C S P Sarma
> No 1 Rivera court, III Drive, Seacliff conclave
> VGP Golden Beach, East Coast Road,Akkarai, Chennai 600119.
> Phone24530537
>
> --- On Sat, 10/24/09, Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] waking, dreaming, sleeping, as
> mutually supportive
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 4:07 PM
>
>
> Vishiji,
>
> These days it's best to ask questions of Sadananda on his
> own website --
> which includes many answers to questions previously put.
>
> Prana comes from the dhatu pra, 'forth' and an, 'breathe',
> so is taken as
> the divine vitality that permeates the jiva. It is seen to
> move in five
> different ways within the body.
>
> It may be connected to the term 'atman' but scholars
> seem uncertain about
> this.
>
> There has been a lot of scholarly comment on Adi Shankara's
> use of avidya,
> namarupa, maya, and Ishwara, and the way he sometimes uses
> one where you'd
> expect another... but the general view seems to be that he
> uses ishwara and
> the other terms to signify all that refers to the workings
> of prakriti as
> they ultimately affect the jiva i.e. anything l;ess than
> Brahman or Om.
> That raises the question of whether this corresponds to the
> sense in the
> Veda that Ishwara is a god like others named. The general
> view seems to be
> that it's not a useful question ! i.e. if you're reading
> the Veda, Ishwara
> is what it says he is; if you're reading Shankara, then
> only Brahman is the
> real concern !
>
> I didn't post on rebirth, because for me, it is the most
> perfect and
> practical viewpoint -- but unproveable to most of us..
> better taken as an
> article of faith than argued over ! I think to understand
> it properly one
> would have to understand the illusion of time itself !
> (Which isn't so
> difficult : when one falls completely still and atman
> rules, where is
> rebirth ?!)
>
> Please excuse my ironic humour.. sometimes the divine play
> carries me away !
> But do ask Sadanandaji about rebirth..
>
> Michael
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On
> Behalf Of Vishy
> Sent: 24 October 2009 06:26
> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] waking, dreaming, sleeping, as
> mutually
> supportive
>
>
>
> Daer Michealji
>
> I too am here in this website in search of truth and thast
> why the question
> was asked!!!
>
> I can understand your hesitation to answer, buy why not
> other learned
> members like Anbuji/ sunilji??
>
> I am sure Sadanandaji should be busy in something else
> otherwise he might
> have clarified
> my doubts on rebirth.
>
>
> pranams
>
> Vishy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 22/10/09, Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] waking, dreaming, sleeping, as
> mutually supportive
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 4:06 PM
>
>
> Dear Vishyji,
>
> I'm on this website list for the sake of truth -- so I
> don't want to say
> something which gets attacked as the misinterpretations of
> some covert
> Christian missionary,,,:)
>
> In my understanding (pause for laughter) bhakta as the way
> of devotion
> allows for a delightful play, as the gopis with Krishna,
> between oneself and
> the 'Lord'. This has given rise to a literature which talks
> -- expecially in
> Sufism and other mystical traditions -- of the Lord setting
> 'tests' to tease
> us into greater love...
>
> The jnani tradition would simply see this as karma and
> reward -- almost or
> entirely mechanical in its operation.
>
> I myself don't have any problem -- as Shankara in his
> delightful prayer to
> Giriga for instance, if indeed it is his -- with being
> aware of both
> traditions simultaneously as part of chitshakti lila...
>
> However, I'm not saying this to set off another round of
> belabouring these
> foreign sudras...:)
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On
> Behalf Of Vishy
> Sent: 22 October 2009 05:41
> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] waking, dreaming, sleeping, as
> mutually
> supportive
>
>
>
> Dear Michealji
>
> Can you be bit more elobarate on rebirth post please
>
>
> Pranams
> Vishy
>
> --- On Wed, 21/10/09, Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] waking, dreaming, sleeping, as
> mutually supportive
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Wednesday, 21 October, 2009, 8:58 PM
>
>
> Srinivas ji,
>
> Thanks for that. I'm trying to find whether 'dream' or
> taijasa can be
> redefined legitimately as 'mental actiivity' and thus
> incorporate not only
> nightly 'dreaming' and envisioning, but also the
> envisioning of poets and
> writers -- and by extension, the very Veda and Upanishads
> and Mahabharata
> etc, as created 'visions of truth'.
>
> And that, without offending the pandits...!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On
> Behalf Of
> Shrinivas Gadkari
> Sent: 21 October 2009 10:49
> To: advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> Subject: [Advaita-l] waking, dreaming, sleeping, as
> mutually supportive
>
>
>
> Namaste,
>
> Here is my understanding in brief:
>
> Sleep is the base state. This is the state of akSara
> puruSa.
> From sleep ones "wakes" up into either "dream" state or
> "awake"
> state. Both these constitute the state of kSara puruSa.
>
> As you have rightly pointed out "dream" state plays an
> important part in sAdhanA.
> Outward description of of any upAsanA highlights the
> inter-play
> between "dream" and "awake" state.
>
> You might want to inquire if "sleep" state has a role in
> sAdhanA.
> (mahA viSNu sleeping on a snake may be some indirect
> reference
> on this front.)
> And then what about fourth state.
>
> I am not aware of any scripture which talks openly and
> explicitly on
> these issues.
>
> Other than mANDukya other text that treats this topic
> somewhat
> more deeply is the last chapter of chandogya (prajApati's
> intruction to
> indra). Some material can also be found in yAjnavalkya
> discourse to
> janaka in bRhadAraNyaka (4th chapter - I think).
>
> Regards,
> Shrinivas
>
>
>
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