[Advaita-l] Fw: Re: waking, dreaming, sleeping, as mutually supportive

[Sunil Bhattacharjya]

Dear Anbuji,

I am against the view that God tests human beings as God as I understand  must be knowing how a human being is and he does not need to test. But a guru must test his prospective disciples before initiation. Now if a qualified guru had found a non-brahmin as qualified to be his disciple why you and me should worry. Noboby ever questioned when Satyakama was initiated. If we mean destiny as the consequence of pururushartha then don't you think that one must take into account what one did or did not do in this life as well. Actions of this life may give a particular adhikara to some one, who might not have had that adhikara by birth. Do you think it is logical. I await comments from you and the other scholars.

Regards,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Fri, 10/23/09, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Fw: Re: waking, dreaming, sleeping, as mutually  supportive
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 12:03 PM

Quote: "...Whether a non-brAhmaNa can become a saMnyAsin..."

My answer is, there is no scriptural sanction for non-brahmin to don ochre
robe for such permission would have then given a valid reason as to their
purushartha.  However non-Brahmins set up Mutts and become inmates most of
them aagama based rarely Vedantic.  They are as good as buddhist sanghams

Vedaantic purushaarthas are clearly valid only for the Brahmins and who can
deny that it has scriptural sanction.  Others have other purusharthas and
that is how their guna-karmas are divined.

Aren't we going back in circle again and again?

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <
svidyasankar at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
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> > > I dont think there is an entry for the vidvat sadas for non-dvija
> > saNyAsi-s in shrungeri tradition ( I may be wrong here!!)...Why I am
> > saying this is, 4-5 years back, I had met one saNyAsi from vaishya
> > janAnga, during vedAnta shibira at Holenarsipura, he was saying there is
> > no entry for non-brAhmin sanyAsi-s to participate in the vidvat gOshTi.
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>
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> Let me ask you, what are we talking about here? Whether a non-brAhmaNa
>
> can become a saMnyAsin or whether a non-brAhmaNa saMnyAsin may have
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> the same level of textual learning as a traditionally schooled brAhmaNa
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> saMnyAsin? Why mix up these issues?
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>
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> My comments were reserved for the first question alone. The latter is
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> something on which there can be no general rule.
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>
> Vidyasankar
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