[Advaita-l] Fw: Re: waking, dreaming, sleeping, as mutually supportive

[Anbu sivam2]

Quote: "You know more about the Lord than the Lord does."

Clearly that would put you knowing more than me and the Lord put together to
make a comparison.

Nice try!

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Michael Shepherd <
michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Anbu, I bow to your judgment.
>
> You know more about the Lord than the Lord does.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of Anbu
> sivam2
> Sent: 21 October 2009 22:19
> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Fw: Re: waking, dreaming, sleeping,as mutually
> supportive
>
>
>
> Is this your prayer or a bypassing of the theory of karma and
> reincarnation?
>
> Sorry, revisionism and liberalism are no escape routes in our understanding
> of the Veda nor are we indulging in the exegesis of the bible.
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Michael Shepherd <
> michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > That mankind should understand that all the varna should be filled with
> men
> > contented with their lot, is something that all nations and faiths should
> > learn..
> > But the Lord knows no rules for His beloved : if he wishes to place one
> who
> > has done him some special service, as a sudra or even dalit in their new
> > life to test their devotion to Him in the fiercest fires of human society
> > --
> > who is to dare to say that He did not keep the rules ?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> > [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of
> > Vidyasankar Sundaresan
> > Sent: 21 October 2009 21:03
> > To: Advaita List
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Fw: Re: waking, dreaming, sleeping, as mutually
> > supportive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > My view is that the gnaana maarga is apt only for the Brahmanas because
> > of
> > > the guna composition of his varna and not suitable for persons of other
> > > varnas for the same reason. A mumukshu becomes a sanyaasi on the
> > initiation
> > > by a Guru and on realization becomes a Guru himself. Such ability to
> > impart
> > > knowledge is part of realization. The Sankara, Vaishnava and Maadhva
> > Mutts
> > > are examples of who had the adhikaaram to become a Sanyaasi. Those who
> > > realized through other maargas seldom competed for such adhikaaras.
> >
> >
> > The reality is that saMnyAsa is approved of and historically well-known
> for
> > all
> >
> > dvija-s. In fact, there are well documented examples of saMnyAsins and
> > maThas
> >
> > associated with other varNas. For example, the Kovilur Math in Tamil
> Nadu,
> >
> > associated with the Nattukottai Chettiars (www.kovilur.com) and the
> > Haldipur
> >
> > Vaishya Math in Karnataka (www.vaishyagurumath.org) are both seats of
> >
> > saMnyAsin lineages from merchant communities and both have historical
> >
> > records of getting initiation from the Sringeri AcAryas.
> >
> >
> >
> > So, this argument that the jnAna mArga is to be limited to only
> brAhmaNa-s
> >
> > and that people of other varNa-s have no adhikAra to become saMnyAsins
> >
> > would seem like an ultra-conservative view that is not upheld even by
> some
> >
> > of the most notable AcAryas of advaita vedAnta tradition.
> >
> >
> >
> > Vidyasankar
> >
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