[Advaita-l] Fw: Re: waking, dreaming, sleeping, as mutually supportive

[Michael Shepherd]

Dear Sunilji,

Just my way of expressing how atmabrahma sets its own karma to transcend..and as you say yourself,  how to know that exceptions can prove the rule..

Michael

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[mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of Sunil
Bhattacharjya
Sent: 22 October 2009 00:15
To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Fw: Re: waking, dreaming, sleeping,as mutually
supportive


Dear Michaelji,

Lord testing people seems weird to me also. I appreciate why Sankhya is Godless though it does not declare God to be non-existent. God does not test people but one who has controlled one's ego by submitting to the Lord is rewarded for controlling one's ego and that is how a bhakta gets benefit. Everything is karma and reward. Niskama karma too has the reward of Brahmajnana.

Regards,

Sunil



--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

From: Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Fw: Re: waking, dreaming, sleeping, as mutually  supportive
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 3:59 PM

Anbu, I bow to your judgment.

You know more about the Lord than the Lord does.

Michael

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[mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of Anbu
sivam2
Sent: 21 October 2009 22:19
To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Fw: Re: waking, dreaming, sleeping,as mutually
supportive



Is this your prayer or a bypassing of the theory of karma and
reincarnation?

Sorry, revisionism and liberalism are no escape routes in our understanding
of the Veda nor are we indulging in the exegesis of the bible.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Michael Shepherd <
michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> That mankind should understand that all the varna should be filled with
men
> contented with their lot, is something that all nations and faiths should
> learn..
> But the Lord knows no rules for His beloved : if he wishes to place one
who
> has done him some special service, as a sudra or even dalit in their new
> life to test their devotion to Him in the fiercest fires of human society
> --
> who is to dare to say that He did not keep the rules ?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of
> Vidyasankar Sundaresan
> Sent: 21 October 2009 21:03
> To: Advaita List
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Fw: Re: waking, dreaming, sleeping, as mutually
> supportive
>
>
>
>
>
> > My view is that the gnaana maarga is apt only for the Brahmanas because
> of
> > the guna composition of his varna and not suitable for persons of other
> > varnas for the same reason. A mumukshu becomes a sanyaasi on the
> initiation
> > by a Guru and on realization becomes a Guru himself. Such ability to
> impart
> > knowledge is part of realization. The Sankara, Vaishnava and Maadhva
> Mutts
> > are examples of who had the adhikaaram to become a Sanyaasi. Those who
> > realized through other maargas seldom competed for such adhikaaras.
>
>
> The reality is that saMnyAsa is approved of and historically well-known
for
> all
>
> dvija-s. In fact, there are well documented examples of saMnyAsins and
> maThas
>
> associated with other varNas. For example, the Kovilur Math in Tamil Nadu,
>
> associated with the Nattukottai Chettiars (www.kovilur.com) and the
> Haldipur
>
> Vaishya Math in Karnataka (www.vaishyagurumath.org) are both seats of
>
> saMnyAsin lineages from merchant communities and both have historical
>
> records of getting initiation from the Sringeri AcAryas.
>
>
>
> So, this argument that the jnAna mArga is to be limited to only brAhmaNa-s
>
> and that people of other varNa-s have no adhikAra to become saMnyAsins
>
> would seem like an ultra-conservative view that is not upheld even by some
>
> of the most notable AcAryas of advaita vedAnta tradition.
>
>
>
> Vidyasankar
>
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