[Advaita-l] Fw: Re: waking, dreaming, sleeping, as mutually supportive

[Sunil Bhattacharjya]

Dear Anbu Sivamji,

Birth in a particular varna is not by accident. It is due to the past karma and hence when someone says that brahmins are best suited to  particular way of pursuit it has meaning. But someone with appropriate karma in this life can make up the past deficiencies and they may look like exceptions but they have reasons too. So we must have a total view as to what is the general norm and how the exceptions are possible. Thus we have to accommodate the exceptions too but with a clear knowledge that these are exceptions only. Any adamance on either side will not help.

Regards,

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Fw: Re: waking, dreaming, sleeping, as mutually  supportive
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 1:59 PM

People who live by exceptions are a mockery to logic.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <
svidyasankar at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> > My view is that the gnaana maarga is apt only for the Brahmanas because
> of
> > the guna composition of his varna and not suitable for persons of other
> > varnas for the same reason. A mumukshu becomes a sanyaasi on the
> initiation
> > by a Guru and on realization becomes a Guru himself. Such ability to
> impart
> > knowledge is part of realization. The Sankara, Vaishnava and Maadhva
> Mutts
> > are examples of who had the adhikaaram to become a Sanyaasi. Those who
> > realized through other maargas seldom competed for such adhikaaras.
>
>
> The reality is that saMnyAsa is approved of and historically well-known for
> all
>
> dvija-s. In fact, there are well documented examples of saMnyAsins and
> maThas
>
> associated with other varNas. For example, the Kovilur Math in Tamil Nadu,
>
> associated with the Nattukottai Chettiars (www.kovilur.com) and the
> Haldipur
>
> Vaishya Math in Karnataka (www.vaishyagurumath.org) are both seats of
>
> saMnyAsin lineages from merchant communities and both have historical
>
> records of getting initiation from the Sringeri AcAryas.
>
>
>
> So, this argument that the jnAna mArga is to be limited to only brAhmaNa-s
>
> and that people of other varNa-s have no adhikAra to become saMnyAsins
>
> would seem like an ultra-conservative view that is not upheld even by some
>
> of the most notable AcAryas of advaita vedAnta tradition.
>
>
>
> Vidyasankar
>
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