[Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna (wasRe:Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)

[Anbu sivam2]

You are right if Bhagavatham contradicts varnasrama dharma.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Sunil Bhattacharjya <
sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Bhagavatam says that to an ardent Bhakta God Himself gives the Jnana, which
> I understand as the end of birth.. That contradicts the statement :
>
> The Brahmins are not qualified for non-gnana path to transcend samsaara.
> If a Brahmin follows these maargas then he will be born again.
>
> --- On Mon, 10/19/09, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna
> (wasRe:Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 2:19 AM
>
> I am in complete agreement with the views of Jaldarji.
>
> My point is that the concept of Aashrama is not divorced from the varna but
> is part and parcel of it.  I REITERATE THAT ONLY BRAHMINS ARE QUALIFIED FOR
> THE SANYASA AASHRAMA.
>
> The purpose of Sanyasa Aashrama is to transcend the samsaara.  *Such
> transending of samsaara is available for other varnas too but by such
> non-gnana means as karma, yoga and bhakthi maargas by which they transcend
> samsaara if they had not performed any kaamya karma.*  If they had
> performed
> kaamya karma then it will bear fruit for them to enjoy in heaven and then
> they will be born again.  No one in heaven or pithruloka can attain Moksha
> but only those in Bhuloka therfore those in heaven and in the world of
> manes
> will be born again in bhuloka.
>
> The Brahmins are not qualified for non-gnana path to transcend samsaara.
> If
> a Brahmin follows these maargas then he will be born again.   Kaamya karma
> will bring them heaven and then rebirth into any of the varnas or other
> beings.  Nishkaama karma will bring them a birth as a Brahmin with a Guru
> calling him at opportune moment.
>
> *Adi Sankara's exhortion that only by Gnaana can one lliberate is addressed
> to the Brahmins.*  It would vitiate the varnasrama dharma if he had
> addressed this to any other varna.
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:14 AM, Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Vishy wrote:
> >
> >  Sanyasi is teh one who has completely dropped " I" (ego) along with all
> >> desires and attachements
> >>
> >
> > ...and _actions_.
> >
> > --
> > Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
> >
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