[Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna (was Re: Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)

[Anbu sivam2]

Sunilji,

*Sanyasa is abandonment of karma of whatever variety, kaamya and nishkaamya.
*

Nishkaamakarma brings a Guru to the karmi.  Sanyasi already got a guru!  He
therefore is in no need to perform nishkaamakarma.  He has to do
nidhidyaasanaam of what his guru has taught.  That is all expected of him.
That is part of sanyaasa dharma.  A jeevan muktha not only does not do karma
but also he has no dharma to observe.  (Whatever he does is considered
dharma).  In any case only a realized person knows another realized person.
In other words, non-realized person cannot know of a realized person to make
a judgment.  The beauty of it is that a realized person would have nothing
to judge of another realized person.  Once Kanchi Periava walked in front of
Ramanasramam but never entered it or even turned his head towards it while
everyone in the Aashramam except two - Bhagavan (and a widow who narrated
this story) - came out and prostrated to the passing ParamaacharyaaL.  This
tells a whole lot about two gnanis when they are in proximity to each other!

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Sunil Bhattacharjya <
sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Abandonment of Karma in the Jnanamarga is abandonment of Karma for fruits.
> Niskama Karma is not considered as Karma here. If one continues Sakama Karma
> then  he cannot be a true Sannyashi even if he has been initiated into
> Sannyasha.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
>
> --- On Wed, 10/14/09, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna (was
> Re: Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 3:04 AM
>
> VedanthakO braahmanasyaath kshathriyO vijayeebhavEth
> vaisyO dhanasamruddhasyaath soodhras sukhmavaapnuyaath.
>
> In order to pursue gnana maarga of vedaantha the abandonment of karma is a
> pre-requisite to which only the Brahmin is qualified.  Therefore only the
> brahmin can enter the sanyaasa aasrama that requires the abandonment of
> karmas.
>
> Moksha is an entitlement of all irrespective of varna and bhagavan has
> prescribed the other maargas such as karma, yoga and bhakthi.  Karma does
> not mean vedic karma alone that the brahmins perform.  It means all karmas
> by all varnas.
>
> When Sankara says that only by Gnana can one attain Moksha he is addressing
> the Brahmins and not other varnas.
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:29 AM, S Jayanarayanan <sjayana at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > --- On Thu, 10/8/09, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In the same vein, Shankara makes his
> > > position clear in the BSB as well :
> > > “And then it has to be considered as to whether that
> > > steadfastness is
> > > meant for anyone
> > > belonging to any one of the four stages of life or to the
> > > MONK
> > > ALONE?.....the conclusion will be that the MONK ALONE can
> > > be STEADFAST in
> > > BRAHMAN..
> > >
> > > praNAms Sri Shyam prabhuji
> > > Hare Krishna
> > >
> > > which sUtra bhAshya you are giving here??
> >
> > It is from Sankara's Brahma sUtra bhAShya 3.4.20:
> >
> >  atra uchyate -
> >
> >  brahmasaMstha iti hi brahmaNi parisamAptirananyavyaapaarataaruupaM
> >  tannishhThatvamabhidhIyate . tachcha trayANAmAshramANAM na saMbhavati .
> >  svaashramavihitakarmAnanushhThaane pratyavaayashravaNAt.h .
> >  parivrAjakasya tu sarvakarmasaMnyAsAtapratyavAyo na
> >  saMbhavatyananushhThaananimittaH .
> >
> >
> >  "Reply: Steadiness in Brahman (brahma-saMstha) is to be
> >  completely absorbed in Brahman (brahmaNi parisamAptiH),
> >  with no other occupation (na-anya-vyaapaara) but to be
> >  established in THAT (tan-nishhThatvam). THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE
> >  (na saMbhavati) FOR THOSE IN THE FIRST THREE ASHRAMAS
> >  (trayANAmAshramANAM). For by giving up one's vocation,
> >  one commits sin. It is possible for the SANNYASI ALONE
> >  (parivrAjakasya tu) to give up all karma (sarvakarmasaMnyAsAt)
> >  and yet commit no sin."
> >
> >
> > It is plenty obvious that according to Sankara, STEADINESS IN BRAHMAN
> > (brahma-saMstha) is possible ONLY in the sannyAsa-Ashrama, and NOT in the
> > other three Ashramas!
> >
> > This is exactly why svAmi VidyAraNya also says that one who has attained
> to
> > BrahmaGYAna in the householder stage must take up vidvat-sannyAsa to
> attain
> > steadiness in GYAna (sthita-praGYa or jIvanmukta).
> >
> > > Kindly let
> > > me know the adhyAya,
> > > pAda, adhikaraNa & sUtra Nos. please.  So that I
> > > shall also have a look at
> > > it.
> > >
> >
> > I hope your "taking a look at it" will not result in disproving Sankara
> :-)
> >
> > It is immensely clear to all sensible people that Sankara himself
> declares
> > that sannyAsa is required for steadiness in GYAna in his BSB 3.4.20.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kartik
> >
> >
> >
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