[Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4

[Shyam]

Dear Shri Michael-ji
Pranams.
I am not sure but I guess this is in reference to my quoting the Bhagwad Gita bhashya "atah Bhagwaan EVA teshaam yogakshemam vahatiti"

Let me clarify.

When one surrenders in toto to the Lord, the Lord ALONE ensures the sustenance of that individual. In fact such is always the case anyways except we, as ignoramuses, like to perennially misappropriate the onus of such responsibility onto ourselves. So quite contrary to the idea of the Lord "leaving the sannyasi to chance", if anything Lord, as the Order, will very much ensure that such a sannyasi's welfare and security is safeguarded - such is Bhagwan Krishna's assurance in the Gita.

As an example lets take two cases - Case 1 - of a speleologist who explores caves all year long as a hobby, and he wears protective boots and clothing, has a flashlight, packs plenty of food and water, perhaps stocks up on essential safety and medicine kits and even antivenom, is on the watchout for dangerous snakes and scorpions, and is armed for the same, etc and Case 2 - of a Maharishi Ramana, who surrenders his most innate Ego at the feet of the Lord Arunachala and inhabits a cave, unmindful of every other blessed thing in the world, engaged constantly in absorption in the Self. 

Which of these do you think is more assured of safety and sustenance? :)

Hari OM
Shyam


--- On Thu, 10/1/09, Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> From: Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 8:33 AM
> if you think that the Lord leaves his
> sannyasi to 'chance', then perhaps you
> yourself are not quite ready for sannyasa yet ? :)
> 
> Michael
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On
> Behalf Of Shyam
> Sent: 01 October 2009 12:50
> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa
> pt 4
> 
> 
> 
> Pranams
> Please read through my series(Pt 1 to 6) where I have
> explained at lenght
> what sannyasa is. It is a
> 
> 1. Renunciation in toto of all efforts including those
> considered critical
> for ensuring the continued life of the body,
> 2. Living on the absolute minimal of food and that too
> obtained by chance
> and typically as alms,
> 3. Being completely bereft of ANY possessions whatsoever
> 4. Having no ties or relationships with anyone else in the
> world - i.e.
> living in solitude
> 5. Having a mind/intellect singlepointedly and
> all-cunsumingly devoted
> exclusively to the Lord.
> 
> Trust this clarifies.
> Hari OM
> Shri Gurubhyoh namah
> Shyam
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Vishy <vishy1962 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Vishy <vishy1962 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus
> Sannyasa pt 4
> > To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 1:27 AM
> > Dear Shyamji
> >  
> > here, what do you mean by 'Sanyasa' ?  Hope you too
> agree
> > its certainly not just taking diksha from some guru
> and
> > retiring in to some place away from all  wearing
> kavi
> > At whatever age wherever one live  , if one can live
> > without any sort of attachemnt /desire to anything or
> > anyone, despite living in market place one can be in
> sanyas
> >  
> > Pranams
> > Vishy
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 29/9/09, Shyam <shyam_md at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Shyam <shyam_md at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus
> Sannyasa
> > pt 4
> > To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > Date: Tuesday, 29 September, 2009, 8:14 PM
> >
> >
> > Dear Sivam-ji
> > Pranams.
> >
> > You write:
> > My humble interlude with Shyamji was to bring to his
> > attention that
> > self-inquiry is not to be deferred to any particular
> > ashrama. 
> > ***
> > My response:
> >
> > Please note that I am not saying one must postpone
> vichara
> > for jnanaprapti until one takes sannyasa - although
> this is
> > by all means the ideal situation - not the
> "postponement"
> > part but the "taking sannyasa part" :)
> >
> > My aim (as the title of my series indicates) is to
> show
> > that the traditional position is this - without
> sannyasa,
> > even if one acquires samyag Jnana, it does not confer
> the
> > fruit of jivanMukti.
> >
> > Hari OM
> > Shri Gurubhyoh namah
> > Shyam
> >
> >
> >
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