[Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4

[Vishy]

Dear Anbuji
 
As long as you breath  you need this Mind (buddhi) just as any other organ...
 
Take it just as  memory unit of a PC, as long as its not infected  by the virus called Ego its harmless , rather useful too. But the Problem is because of this ego virus it corrupts entire system and starts beliving that it by itself is the whole system and it is the driving it. Nevertheless the system cant run wthout memory, isnt it???
 
Vishy


--- On Tue, 29/9/09, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Tuesday, 29 September, 2009, 7:57 PM


Michaelji,

Why would you want a cleaned and washed buddhi?  What use is it to you?
What would you be without a buddhi (cleaned and washed OR otherwise)?



On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Michael Shepherd <
michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Anbuji
>
> Sounds fine by me !
>
> Except I'm not too happy about blaming some sort of bad buddhi for this
> dehatma bhava. Rather, surely,  that divine and perfect instrument, buddhi,
> has to be cleansed and washed of what ahamkara has loaded on it !
>
> However, this is all in the realms of maya and mithya in terms of this
> English dictionary  loaded with 'I am the doer..' ! :)
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of Anbu
> sivam2
> Sent: 29 September 2009 13:18
> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4
>
>
>
>  Michaelji,
>
> Sunilji is right in pointing out that karma is sine qua non of embodiment.
> But is 'dehaathma buddhi'  a pre-requisite of embodiment?  Our sages have
> answered it with a resounding 'NO'.  You can be embodied but need not
> identify yourself with it.  Such disengement with the body takes place
> irrespective of the aashrama you are in.
>
> In his discourse with Ganapathi Muni Bhagavan Ramana said "dehaathma buddhE
> gnyajadow samaanow".  That automaton (the buddhi that takes the body to be
> aathma) has to be broken by that very buddhi by the process of enquiry!  It
> is the buddhi that identifies oneself with body, mind, intellect and so on.
> This buddhi is the culprit whom we have to lose.  This log of wood is
> pregnant with the fire that destroys it!
>
> My humble interlude with Shyamji was to bring to his attention that
> self-inquiry is not to be deferred to any particular ashrama.  Changes in
> ashrama takes its own course and should be held as part of the praarabhda
> karma but the self-inquiry starts right from the birth.  It starts with
> 'dehaathma buddhi'.
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Michael Shepherd <
> michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > May I add something from experience in the ashrama ?
> >
> > Those who have been well and spiritually educated up to age 16 are well
> set
> > for life, could not be better set.
> >
> > But for most, householder and bread-winner coincide in the next ashrama.
> > So we are going to spend that time in an environment which is calling for
> > 'I am the doer..'
> > But how valuable to attempt to have upasana of the mahavakya in one's
> > working life, let alone at home ! One person alone in a factory, go-down,
> or
> > office who hold the mahavakya within, can lighten the tone of the whole
> > workplace and lift that burden of 'I am the doer' a little or a lot..
> >
> > And then vanaprastha becomes, can become, a life of bliss. As someone
> here
> > said to me, 'It's a time for attending to those aspects of samashthi
> which
> > have not previously been fully attended to'..
> >
> > One may never attain or choose sannyasa. But I'm sure that there are a
> > number on this site who would acknowledge that -- especially these days
> of
> > easier communication which don't involve a weary body, and longer lives
> of
> > retirement...vanaprastha is going to become the glory of spiritual life
> in
> > the 21st century..
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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