[Advaita-l] A Perspective - 4

[Sunil Bhattacharjya]

Anbuji,

(f)
The highest jnana is oneness with the Lord. No jnana is available without the grace of God. Only in our Ahamkar we think that we can acquire Jnana. My personal belief is that once one achieves the vairagya, which is so necessary for being able to perform Niskaama karma, one does not have to look back.God will give or arrange to give  the jana that the niskaama karmi is no different from Him. Once a person gets the jnana by His grace then he may leave the separateness on his or her Videhamukti or may not part with the deha till a futuredate willingly as Hanuman is said to have done.

g)
Yes the Lord will help. Guru may come in  diferent form. Did not Dattatreya have 24 gurus each so different from the other.

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] A Perspective - 4
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 3:23 PM

Sunilji,

(a) All karmas, irrespective of the fact it is kaamya karma or otherwise,
bear fruit.  If they don't bear fruit then karmas would be meaningless.

(b) No karma is possible without 'ahamkaaram' the causality that impels one
to do.

(c) Therefore a person does a karma 'impelled' by his ahamkaara (shall we
say that this is destined!).  He covets the fruit for himself or he
dedicates it to Eawara - this is his option.

(d) A person who covets the fruit has to come to enjoy it.  This is the
cause of janma.  A person who does not covet has no reason to be born.

(e) Easwara who is the karmaphala dhaatha would have no reason to cause the
birth of a jeeva if he had dedicated all the fruits of his karmas to
Easwara.  But would that be a true release?

(f) A true release is freedom from ignorance.  A jeeva who has dedicated the
fruits of his karma out of his love for Easwara is still ignorant.  It is
not logical to say that a person desiring the knowledge of the Self would
then go about performing karma and dedicateing its fruit to Easwara.  Actually
a person's desire for knowledge arises from his realization that all karmas
are vain ultimately.

(g) This is where the point made in (a) comes to play.  Nishkaama karma
bears its fruit to the jeeva who performed it by way of his acquiring a
Guru.  Easwara himself comes to him in the form of a Guru and teaches him
the knowledge of the Self.  Aachaaryavaan PurushO Veda.  The jeeva then
knows who he is and gets released.

Krishna was the Guru and the Gopis were his sishyas and they learnt their
Oneness with Him through his leelas.  This shows that the teaching comes in
different forms and ways from a Guru who himself dons various forms.
 Arunachala mountain was Bhagavan Ramana's Guru.  He can even be formless.

This is the scheme of things with regard to Nishkaama karma.

This may perhaps answer your question:  "After doing Niaskaama karma has he
to worry if he would have the fate of Trishanku or will he fall to the ways
full of desire?

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Sunil Bhattacharjya <
sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sadanandaji,
>
> Namaste,
>
> Do you think a man would do niskaama karma without pure mind and without a
> longing for moksha, whether directly or indirectly. I am talking of  doing
> niskaama karma day in and day out. and not what one might do once in a way.
>
> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya
>
> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
>
> --- On Sat, 11/7/09, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> From: kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] A Perspective - 4
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 7:31 AM
>
> Sunilji - PraNAms
>
> Yes If Krishna finds that the yogi has a pure mind and is longing for
> moksha, then either he will make sure that the yogi will get proper teacher
> or he himslef will comedown and teach.
>
> When the student is ready for knowlede and want to have that knowledge, he
> wlll find the appropriate teacher- that is the law.
>
> Hari Om!
> Sadananda
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > dedicated Niskaama karma yogi dedeicates the karma phal to
> > Lord Krishna will Lord Krishna ever abandon him? After doing
> > Niaskaama karma has he to worry if he would have the fate of
> > Trishanku or will he fall to the ways full of desire? Would
> > Lord Krishna not come to his rescue, in whatever form, to
> > give him the ultimate knowledge?
> >
> >
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