[Advaita-l] Advaita-l Digest, Vol 61, Issue 20

[Michael Shepherd]

I agree with Sri Anbu and Sri Sarma. Put aside the past for the eternal, and see what lessons we can learn from the concept of varna...

I suspect that the decline of Christianity from the era when it served Western society well with the monastic system and its outreach, may well be a case very much to the point... When the scholarship of devotion and knowledge ceases to ring out from the public pulpit and retreats to the study, no-one is served well...and even the monks themselves despair.  Don't we all weep for Myanmar too ?

Michael

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[mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of Sarma
KV
Sent: 24 August 2009 13:28
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Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Advaita-l Digest, Vol 61, Issue 20


Good point, Sri Anbu.

Your interpretation of Bhagawan Ramana's SlOkam to support varNa vyavastha
is wonderful. This shows how universally applicable, the words of
brahma-jnaani-s are!!
(There was a question in another thread whether scientific theories are
universally applicable, incidentally :-) )

Elaborating what you said..
We should look at the fact that occupation is just one transient aspect of
life. Being born as a braamhaNa is a much fundamental, largely unchanging,
aspect and for that reason one should stick to the vihita-karma-anushThaana
to the extent possible. Birth is a chance given by God to "advance" towards
chitta-Sudhdhi. The jeeva "progresses" in this path not by occupation but by
vihita-karma-anushThaana with vairaagyam (which cleanses and erazes
karma-bandham.)

Best Regards,
-Sarma KV

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I find it extremely disappointing to know that many of the 'brahmanas' of
> this forum are stuck with the seculars ideas of who a brahmin or a sudhra
> is
> on the basis of mere occupation instead of the guna that drives each person
> (i.e. his body and mind) to enjoy and suffer his poorva karma.  The body
> and
> mind made of the guna stuff become the vehicle for each to enjoy or suffer
> (BOgam).  This intrinsic stuff is unalterable even when a person changes
> his
> occupation.  (As Bhagavan Ramana said: You can do what you like but the
> outcome will always be the same.) (Karthur aagnyayaa praapyathE phalam
> karma
> kim param? karma thajjadam.)
> Varnasrama dharma is eternal for it is god's creation.  It can decline but
> not be destroyed.
>
> Knower of this truth will be on the side of Dharma and will want it
> reinstated.
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Vishy <vishy1962 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Shankar
> >
> >
> > You are right, but with one correction....  All of us are not shdhrs as
> > they aim is said to be said to be only serving the society without
> > bargaining for anything inreturn, but  all all of us can be branded
> > (including those who are born shudras) as vysyas whoo trade sell some
> thing
> > inreturn .... ya, we sell ourselves(in the name of services) for
> negotiated
> > price (call it cooli / salary/ wage whatever).
> >
> > In that way if we look in there are no Brakmanas, Kshatriyas or shudras
> > anymore
> > anywhere
> >
> >
> > Vish
> >
> > --- On Mon, 24/8/09, P.S.Shankar <shankar at tataelxsi.co.in> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: P.S.Shankar <shankar at tataelxsi.co.in>
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Advaita-l Digest, Vol 61, Issue 20
> > To: advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> > Date: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 10:07 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Dr.Yadu Moharir -  Wrote >>>
> >
> > "I know all of us though born in Brahman families and have undergone
> > upanayana samskaraara, did sandhyaavadanama,?do?clean toilets in US?need
> to
> > be classified as?"shudra" !!
> >
> > Yes, we are and I believe everyone in this era are so. since very few are
> > following there respective varna dharma.
> >
> > Most of work and get paid for livelihood. and do  get alms for the same.
> > Hence I assume we are all shudras.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Shankar.
> >
> >
> >
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