[Advaita-l] Advaita-l Digest, Vol 51, Issue 14

[Kalyan N]

Dear All Members

Hari Om

*On Vairgya*

Vairagya without Viveka is difficult to hold on. Viveka comes out of
knowledge of the reality. When you hold on to something by giving up
something is not vairagya. The fact that King Ashoka did not fight
again clearly shows that he followed one of the values of "Ahimsa" and he
found satisfaction in following Buddhism. We should follow an exit strategy
of 4 Ds. Discrimination, Dispassion, Discipline and Desire as mentioned in
the Sadhana Chatushtayam as very well explained by Swami Paramarthananda in
his lecture - Tatvabhoda. If you discard something or give up something
without a complete understanding of why, there is every possibility of
holding on to something lower than that we gave up. We should hold on to
higher ideals like Ashoka of holding on to Ahimsa will take us further in
the path of knowledge & remove the bondages which will be the real vairagya.

Hari Om

In His Seva

Kalyan






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>   1. New member introduction: C.N.S. Adishesha (Jaldhar H. Vyas)
>   2. Re: Vadakkunatha (Ramakrishnan Balasubramanian)
>   3. Re: Is vairAgya/renunciation  a result of glumness??
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> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:39:08 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Jaldhar H. Vyas" <jaldhar at braincells.com>
> Subject: [Advaita-l] New member introduction: C.N.S. Adishesha
> To: Advaita-L <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
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> I am 48 years old and presently working as manager in
> Canara Bank in India.
>
> About 25 years back I developed interest in vedanta ,
> more particularly in advaita school as my family
> traditionally belong to this school.
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> As my job is transferable, I could not get initiated
> into formal study of philosophy as traditional people
> do in India. However I could able to get all the
> original works of Adishankara and on my own I am
> studying them. I am more interested in studying works
> on Upanishads, rather than Brahmasutras. I am not much
> interested in reading post Shankara advaita works
> except a few, namely the works of Sureshwara, known as
> direct disciple of Adishankara and works of Sri
> Sattchidanandendra Saraswathi.
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> I would like to join this group as this appears to be
> helpful to me in enriching my knowledge.
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> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:25:41 -0700
> From: "Ramakrishnan Balasubramanian" <rama.balasubramanian at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Vadakkunatha
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
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> >From my Tamil Grammar knowledge, I was inclined to say vaDakkunAthan.
> The vaDakku +  nAthan. The 'n' doesn't duplicate. On the other hand I
> believe it is vaDakkutthisai (Northern direction), the 't' duplicates.
> When I saw the reply by Ramesh, I was a little puzzled. I asked my
> wife, who is from Kerala, and she confirmed that it should be
> vaDakkunAthan. But she wasn't able to give the syntactical rule for
> it. I'll ask my father-in-law who is pretty good at Malayalam Grammar
> and confirm it.
>
> Rama
>
> On 7/22/07, Guy Werlings <werlings.guy at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> > All my deepest thanks to shrii Ramesh Krishnamurthy.
> > PraNAm-s
> > Dji-dobolyu
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ramesh Krishnamurthy" <rkmurthy at gmail.com>
> > To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
> > <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 6:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Vadakkunatha
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> >
> > > It's "vaDakunnAthan", literally "lord of the north"
> > >
> > > Ramesh (not a Malayali though)
> >
> >
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> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:01:58 +0000 (GMT)
> From: srirudra at vsnl.com
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Is vairAgya/renunciation  a result of
>        glumness??
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> Dear Members
> Yes it is true that a shock results in deep thought about what exactly is
> life.But soon we forget and carry on with our routines.King Ashoka comes
> to
> my mind when he vowed that he will not indulge in another war after the
> Kalinga war in which he was victorious.His vairagya came after a success
> and
> he embraced Budhdhism.My point is one should be truly
> get affected eitherby a sad event or a happy one  and set out to seek
> remedy
> IMMEDIATELY.All life stories of
> great people only indicates this aspect.They never waited for an opportune
> moment to get vairagya.It was spontaneous.
> R.Krishnamoorthy.
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> From: <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com>
> To: <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>; <advaitin at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:44 AM
> Subject: [Advaita-l] Is vairAgya/renunciation a result of glumness??
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> >
> > praNAms
> > Hare Krishna
> >
> > Yesterday I was discussing with one of my friends casually, the topic
> was
> > about vairAgya.  He said that vairAgya or dispassion is always a result
> of
> > some grief in one's life.  He took the examples of buddha, dhruva,
> ramaNa
> > maharshi & argued, see buddha had to see the miseries of life, dhruva
> had
> > to suffer from his step mother & ramaNa had to undergo that strange
> > experience of death to get vairAgya....If everything is going fine in
> > one's
> > life, he/she never even think about vairAgya despite he/she is very
> > philosophical & spiritual in his/her normal approach towards life.   My
> > friend continued to argue, though most of us  know the importance & talk
> > hours together about  dispassion & renunciation etc.  we never try to
> put
> > them into practice coz. we donot want to come out of our comfort zone.
> I
> > thought in a way, he is right!!! Because, I've not seen/heard any
> incident
> > where one, who was leading a comfortable & secured  life took saNyAsa by
> > mere discrimination (vivEka) without any untoward incidents..Either
> there
> > must be a severe catastrophe in his/her life or there must be a
> > traditional
> > obligation (thouse who belong to & studied under the guidance of
> orthodox
> > saNyAsa Ashrama/ mutt) to force them to adopt themselves to saNyAsi way
> of
> > life or to the path of vairAgya.
> >
> > I know this is only limited vision of vairAya...I'd be highly obliged if
> > prabhuji-s share any additional thoughts on this subject.  If those
> > thoughts make me to think about  the path of vairAgya
> seriously,  nothing
> > like that!!
> >
> > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> > bhaskar
> >
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