[Advaita-l] Re: on Advaita Anubhava !

[Mahadevan Babu]

Dear Shayamji and All,
Pranams and pardon my ignorance and correct where necessary.
I agree with you Shyamji and these are my few thoughts.


THE EXPERIENCER CAN NEVER EXPERIENCE THE EXPERIENCE !!!
Silence remains through the noise and when the noise ends. We cannot  
create silence, can we?
The space remains in the pot, within the clay and outside the pot.   
So, where is the space?
So the experiencer experiences through the phases of Avidya and Vidya.

Meaning to say,  there is nothing like Atma or Advaita Anubhava that  
comes and goes.  IT is ever there !!!

It is the Agyana, which we are all trying to unveil and obtain the  
Gyana of the Self.
Then again, we as Mumukshus are on the path of learning, which ripens  
with time unknown.
Then on contemplating That knowledge and put it into practice that we  
acquire the Gyana with the Lord and Guru's Grace.

Upon that Ultimate Realization, we Advaitins believe today that Vidya  
and Avidya are one and the same as expounded by the Great Rishis and  
Acharyals.

I really cherish this forum, as this is also a form of SATSANG, where  
we are all truly singing His praise !!!


Sri Gurubyo Namaha !!!
Shivoham! Shivoham! Shivoham!

Dev Babu



On 28/01/2007, at 10:49 AM, Shyam wrote:

> Pranams
> Knowledge of advaita has little to do with going in
> and out of experiential states.Doubtless knowledge of
> the truth about mySelf, being nonseparate from the
> Whole, is what is the advaitic truth. This truth once
> firmly understood requires no "practice".
>
> Realization of this truth is of course not had
> secondary to obstacles primarily resulting from
> unpreparedness of the mind.
> If immediate knowledge is not gained by a mere hearing
> of the vedantic truths, then one must resort to
> dwelling upon these truths, until clarity of the
> knowledge crystallizes. (This can often times take
> years or even lifetimes.)
>
> In this, e-groups and interactions with like-minded
> mumukshus or seekers, (e-satsang) can play an
> important role. Known doubts can be re-clarified and
> unknown doubts can surface and find resolutions in
> many cases.
> In any event, for a sincere seeker, such groups should
> never be the primary means of learning vedanta -
> surrender and service to a Guru is a must. At the same
> time they do have a important role to play.
>
> Yes it is true that only one in a million may arrive
> at this truth, but Bhagwan Krishna's words are not
> meant to make one diffident! - to the contrary, it
> underscores how rare an opportunity a vedanta student
> is presented with, where after crores of janmas - a
> human birth, exposure to the teaching and the means to
> the truth - these are all aligned - the only thing
> missing is a sincere and intense desire for knowledge
> and self-effort(born of free-will) of the highest
> order - these two in themselves assure you in due time
> the Grace of shastra, Guru and Ishwara - which in turn
> result in jivanmukti.
>
> Asato ma sat gamaya.
>
> Hari OM
> Shri Gurubhyo namah
>
> Shyam
>
>
> --- Ram Garib <garib_ram at yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>
>>
>> Sri Kris Manian wrote:
>>
>>> I believe Ramana said that (Cmiiw) you dont have
>> to
>>> be saMnyasI to achive
>>> what he did, in an interview.
>>
>> He says so at several places in "Talks with Ramana
>> Maharishi".
>>
>>> This may be against
>>> the smrutis.
>>
>> There are some very passionate discussions about
>> this
>> in the archives. What I could make out from those
>> discussions is that a householder jIvanmukta is not
>> against smrutis but is highly unlikely.
>>
>>> But I am curious, how many in this news group are
>>> practicing Advaitins?
>>
>> None. Because the term "practicing Advaitin" does
>> not
>> exist. They say, one can only practice the
>> preparation
>> of mind not the advaita itself. After that, if other
>> conditions are right, hopefully advaitAnubhava may
>> occur.
>>
>>> How many can go in to or gone in to samadhi state?
>>
>> Those following scriptural testimony say that
>> samAdhi
>> is not really necessary for advaita. Ramana also
>> confirms it.
>>
>> I personally have never gone into a state which I
>> could give a grandiose label such as samAdhi.
>> Nonetheless, I have a few not-so-bad meditative
>> experiences under my belt, and I believe that
>> someone
>> with more commitment than me would certainly have
>> had
>> deeper experiences than me.
>>
>>> Another question is, if most of the participants
>> in
>>> this group agree with
>>> Amuthan's statement,
>>
>> ...most of the participants here might agree more to
>> Lord Krishna's statement in gIta that says only one
>> in
>> a million gets Him. samnyAsI or non-samnyAsI, your
>> chances are negligible anyway. The only difference
>> is
>> that some are more negligible than the others.
>>
>>> then is your discussion about
>>> Advaita in this group
>>> for theoritical purposes only?
>>
>> Most of them are here because they could not have
>> done
>> otherwise even if they wanted to. (Remember free
>> will
>> is mithyA :)). I sometime reflect on me. I do not
>> have
>> the least inclination to make spirituality my full
>> time commitment. Yet I keep hovering on these
>> boards.
>> Is it theoretical? Largely so. But how do you
>> control
>> something that was anyway not willed by you?
>>
>> Advaita discussion for householders is not
>> prohibited.
>> It may not yield any results too, except for the
>> preparation of mind. However someone truly convinced
>> of advaitic truth wouldn't really bother if that
>> anubhava did not happen in his body or in this
>> birth,
>> would he?
>>
>>> (or an ego trip to
>>> show that I know so much
>>> but I dont practice:-)
>>
>> It is the reverse.
>> One doesn't go on ego trip when one slips on
>> practice.
>>
>> Though if one is careful, one can use it to
>> cultivate
>> some humility.
>>
>> With regards,
>> Ram Garib
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 		
>>
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