[Advaita-l] Re: Advaita vEdAnta - Unit (11)

[Kris Manian]

Thanks. But I have difficulty understand this, even an endless loop has
a beginning, right?
There must always be a first time for anything, no?
If we take your arguement then, looks like Jiva and brahman are two
separate entities and has been
in existance for ever and will continue that way for ever.

Pranam
Kris

Krishnamurthy Ramakrishna wrote:
> Kris Manian ji;
> namaste. 
> There is no first time jagat is created.
> The jagat has been in existence from anAdi - beginningless time.
> The current creation is to fulfill the karma of the previous creation;
> the previous creation to fulfill the karma of its previous creation
> and so on..... from beginningless time. If there was no karma of jIvas,
> at any time, why is there a need to create the jagat for no jIva has to
> experience the fruits of their karma. An analogy is - what is the beginning
> point of a circle?
> Regards,
> K. Ramakrishna.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kris Manian [mailto:krismanian at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1:46 PM
> To: advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> Cc: puttakrishna at verizon.net
> Subject: RE: Advaita vEdAnta - Unit (11)
>
> Thanks Krishnamurthy ji. I have more questions.
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>>> Objection 6 - Brahman is Partial and Cruel
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>>> There is wide range of differences in the creation of jagat. There are
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> some
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>>> who are very happy. Some of the animals undergo immense hardship and
>>> distress. Some others would have a mix of happiness and sorrow. So is
>>> Brahman partial? In addition, at the time of dissolution, all jIvas
>>> experience extreme distress. So is Brahman very cruel? If so, Brahman
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> cannot
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>>> be the kAraNa for jagat!
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>>> vEdAntin: The jagat creation with differences in the happiness among
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> jIvas
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>>> is organized according to their karma. The variations, in the level of
>>> happiness among jIvas, is a result of their own making. Brahman is not
>>> responsible for this (In business life also, every one is rewarded
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> according
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>>> to their contributions!). The cause of dissolution is the aggregate karma
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> of
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>>> jIvas. So this objection of Brahman's partiality or cruelty is not
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> accurate.
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>  Let us take the very first time the Jagat was created, when there was no
> karma
> at all for Jivas. At that time how many humans and creatures would have been
> born?
> Probably one of whatever species Brhman wanted, right? (Most probably no
> animals, birds, insects etc as they are considered lower forms to human and
> only are
> born due to human's bad karma) Because there was no cause for
> a vast number of species or vast number of humans as there was no karma to
> start with. 
> There would have been no sorrow, no pain and only all bliss, probably like
> the Garden of Eden? 
> So what do you think started off this chain of Karma and the world as we see
> it now? 
>
> Pranam
> Kris
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