[Advaita-l] Re: liilaa and brahma

[Sylvain]

My view is the play and the players are YOU!

I agree.  Thanks to MA AnandamayI.

Sylvain

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anbu sivam2" <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Re: liilaa and brahma


> Dear Ms.Sylvain,
>
> My view is the play and the players are YOU!  Just as in your dream.  This
> cannot happen if it is not for the fact that you realize this only at the
> end of the play!
>
> With Narayanasmrithi,
> Anbu
>
> On 11/3/06, Sylvain <elisabeth-sylvain at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Namaste everyone.
>>
>> The points 4 and 5 (see below) are not clear for me.
>>
>> I think we experience relative reality because of the lIlAA (lEElAA), the
>> divine play, or the veil of ignorance, or mAyA. All synonyms to me.  What
>> do
>> you think about this point of view ?
>>
>> Sylvain
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ravisankar Mayavaram" <abhayambika at gmail.com>
>> To: <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 9:54 AM
>> Subject: [Advaita-l] Re: liilaa and brahma
>>
>>
>> > Sylvain elisabeth-sylvain at sympatico.ca  wrote
>> >
>> >    Do you mean that liilaa or leela or the divine play is incompatible
>> > with
>> >    brahman ?
>> >    If yes, i don't personally see any incompatibility.
>> >
>> >    Therefore, would you tell me in which kind of advaita does my
>> > conception fit
>> >    ?
>> >
>> > namaste Sylvain
>> >
>> > This is what I think, and I may be wrong. In brief, it is not
>> > necessary to understand how it happened.
>> >
>> > 1. shruti affirms that the absolute reality (pAramArthika) is non-dual
>> > brahman. And Atman is brahman.
>> >
>> > 2. In vyAvahArika (relative reality), we know from experience that we
>> > see multiplicity. And also we identify Atman with anAtman, as we have
>> > no direct knowledge (aparoxa jnAna) of shruti affirmation.  Hence, a
>> > jiva is limited by avidyA (which is taking ephemeral as eternal and
>> > anAtman as Atman). And this jagat is governed by Ishvara, wielder of
>> > mAyA. Latter is an article of faith.
>> >
>> > 3. Neither it is necessary to know how #2 came about from #1 nor it is
>> > useful.  This is my understanding. If at all, with our limited
>> > capability, anything we say is going to have some issue or other.
>> >
>> > 4. From #2, to attain liberation, the path laid out is clear. It may
>> > be long and difficult, but at least it is clear and possible. I also
>> > believe that  Ishwara pranidhAna is most important element to succeed
>> > in this step.
>> >
>> > 5. It is better to focus on #4. There is nothing wrong in accepting
>> > that I do not know how #2 came about from #1. Because it has no
>> > bearing on #4.
>> >
>> > BTW I am not a vishiShTAdvaitin. My knee jerk reaction to question of
>> > locus of avidyA  in the first post was based on my ignorance and lack
>> > of humility.   I will work on correcting it.
>> >
>> > My 2c.
>> >
>> > Ravi
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