[Advaita-l] Is Ishvara a Gynani?

[Shyam Venkataraman]

Namaskarams.
 Dear Sadanandaji,
 I wish to just post a minor clarification w.r.t your point here.
In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna says:
All Beings have their being in me (9.4). That means that all beings depend 
on the Lord for their existence. The Lord further says, "Iam not in all 
these beings. I do not have my being in what is created." That means that 
the creation is not independent of the Lord but the Lord is independent of 
the creation. Like even the clay can say, "all that is made of clay has its 
being in me, but Iam not in them". The clay is not dependent on the 
clay-born world. From the stand-point of the pots, the clay can say "all 
these exist in me". And from its own stand-point, the clay can say "in me 
there is no being" -- because there is nothing else other than the vastu 
"Brahman". The Lord's glory is maya which is capable of creating something 
which is not possible at all. The vastu "Brahman" without itself undergoing 
any change appears as the world. So this amounts to the following statements 
which Krishna makes in the Gita:
"All things have their being in me"
"In fact there is nothing that has its being in me."
 Om Namah Shivaya!
 Shyam

 On 9/6/05, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> 
> Shree Girishji
> 
> There seems to be some misunderstanding that once one realizes 'he' sees
> to exist - it is true that he ceases to exist with the notions that 'I
> am limited jiiva' but now 'He' exists with full understanding that -
> sarva bhuutastam aatmaanam sarva bhuutanica aatmani' all being are in me
> and I am in all beings - just as Krishna declares. 'He' utilizes the
> local equipment that is now available since the 'ego-centric entity -
> he" has left that leaving it now for "He' - to use it for the benefit of
> the totality - or loka kalyaanam.
> The avataara concept is also same. A realized person is going up in the
> realization of the self and Iswara is coming down occupying a local form
> to fulfill the public demand with full knowledge while playing the role
> of the form He has taken.
> 
> Hari OM!
> Sadananda
> 
> --- Girish Ramadurgam <rsgirish at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Members,
> >
> > I have a few question regarding Ishvara? On reading panchadashi my
> > understanding is Ishvara is reflection of self on Prakriti, the sattva
> > aspect of prakriti.
> >
> > If it is so,
> >
> > 1) Doesnt Ishvara has more chances to realise Self than a Jiva?
> > 2) If Ishvara has realised Self, then wouldn't Ishavara cease to
> > exists? Then would maya recreate Ishvara by its power?
> > 3) If Krishna has realised Brahman then wouldn't we infer that Vishnu
> > knows the truth and would then cease to exists.(as Krishna is avtara
> > of Vishnu)?
> > 4) So is Vishnu a role created by Maya to maintain it creation?
> >
> > Thank you very much in advance for your help.
> >
> > Best Wishes,
> >
> > Girish
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