[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: [advaitin] Understanding Srimad Bhagavad Gita from the perspectives of Visishtadvaita and Advaita - an exposition

[Vikram Jagannathan]

Thank you, Subbu ji, for the deeper insights & reference. I will read up
more in AdvaitaSiddhi on this topic.

with humble prostrations,
Vikram


On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 1:56 AM V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 12:27 PM Vikram Jagannathan <vikkyjagan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Namaskaram Shri Subbu ji,
>>
>> Agreeing on the difference. I will defer to Shri Krishna Kashyap ji for
>> sharing more details on SriVaikunta at maha-pralaya. I have heard some
>> conflicting theories and would rather withhold my opinion due to lack of
>> clarity & understanding.
>>
>
> Yes, long ago I had arrived at this conclusion:  How does advaita view the
> other two schools? The answer is: The sadhana involving strong vairagyam
> towards the world and pure devotion to Bhagavan alone that is seen in the
> other two schools will mean to the Advaitin that they will go to Brahma
> loka.  The idea that they will get Advaita jnanam there will not be
> accepted by them but the Advaitin would place the Smarta sagunopasaka in
> line with the sadhakas of the other two schools. The sagunopasaka of
> Advaita also reaches Brahma loka.  Up till this the sadhakas of the other
> schools can be accommodated in Advaita's krama mukti path.
>
> In Advaitasiddhi there is a section where the forms and lokas of Bhagavan
> have been considered and finally concluded that these are not absolutely
> real and eternal.  There the commentary Laghuchandrika says that 'there is
> no pramana for the existence of an uncreated a-bautika (non-elemental)
> vaikuntha.'
>
> warm regards
> subbu
>
>
>
>>
>> However, the point I am trying to communicate is that the Advaita concept
>> of krama-mukti is aligned with VA at least until the maha-pralaya state and
>> therefore there should not be any reason for Visishtadvaitins for a
>> conflict or criticism on this point of moksha marga against Advaita. In
>> other words, from VA’s perspective, Advaita does not stand against VA at
>> least until maha-pralaya. Of course Advaita goes a step further in the form
>> of sadyo-mukti, but this should ideally not be a valid topic of criticism
>> either since VA doesn’t believe in this concept or its logic to begin with.
>>
>> with humble prostrations,
>> Vikram
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 12:12 AM V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Vikram ji,
>>>
>>> The krama mukti of Advaita involves getting the Advaita aham brahmasmi
>>> jnanam in that Brahma loka and remaining there till maha pralaya when that
>>> loka also will perish upon which the jivas there who are Jnanis, will
>>> become videha muktas as per advaita.  The position of VA is that in that
>>> ultimate scenario the muktas will be in Vaikuntha, with individual
>>> identities. This is because jiva-jiva and jiva-Ishwara bheda is absolutely
>>> real in VA.
>>>
>>> warm regards
>>> subbu
>>>
>>>
>>>>
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