[Advaita-l] Shaiva, Vaishnava, etc. sects created by Shiva - Devi Bhagavata

[V Subrahmanian]

Dear Raghav ji,

True, some fierce sectarianism could be seen in some of the Vaishnava
texts. Offshoots of this could be seen in texts like

English translation of 'Madhwamruta Maharnava' - a text said to be authored
by the one who wrote Mani Manjari and Sumadhwavijaya':

https://gurucharana.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/madwaamruthamaharnava/

The Kannada translation with original:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7z0BUm30RcQR2pWQWxJQm93SEk/view

There could be counterparts of that in Shaivism and Shakta too.

regards
subbu




On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 10:21 PM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Subbuji
>
> On Sun, 30 Jul, 2023, 6:41 pm V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > In this chapter on worship of Devi (Brahman) it is stated that:
> >
> > देवीभागवतपुराणम्/स्कन्धः ०७/अध्यायः ३९
> > https://sa.wikisource.org/s/ite
> >
> > The sects - shaiva, vaishnava, saura, shakta and ganapatya and agama -
> are
> > basically meant for those who are not yet ready for vaidika dharma.
>
>
> "these sects were instituted by Shankara himself" शङ्करेण प्रणीताः
>
> Of
> > these sects those aspects that are not contradictory to vaidika dharma
> are
> > acceptable/adaptable for vaidika practitioners.
> >
> > शैवाश्च वैष्णवाश्श्चैव सौराः शाक्तास्तथैव च ।
> > गाणपत्या आगमाश्च प्रणीताः शङ्करेण तु ॥ ३० ॥
> > तत्र वेदाविरुद्धांशोऽप्युक्त एव क्वचित्क्वचित् ।
> > वैदिकैस्तद्ग्रहे देषो न भवत्येव कर्हिचित् ॥ ३१ ॥
> >
> > This chapter has many concepts of the Veda - Purushasukta, the Bh.Gita,
> > etc.  A reading of the entire chapter will be beneficial. It's Advaitic
> > flavour is readily perceptible.
> >
> > Om
> >
>
> The above verse could be interpreted in two ways - the modern "historical"
> method.
> "These other sects like gANapatyas evolved organically independent of the
> Vedic tradition and was slowly "sanskritized" and assimilated in to the
> Vedic tradition after doing away with some of their more heretic/unorthodox
> practices." Shiva was regarded as veda bAhya, gaNapati was a fierce and
> violent village guardian diety. The tribalistic goddess worship was
> gradually modified and assimilated in to Vedic tradition."
>
> The second method would be the traditional understanding viz., the very
> origin of all these sects is the Vedas alone. So they are all authentic  So
> the talk of "partial acceptance" of their practices should not even arise.
> However some degeneration had indeed crept in in to these traditions. So a
> certain sectarianism, fanaticism is present is certain of the texts
> belonging to these sects. Thise degenerate elements are to be disowned and
> the rest of the practices and ideas of these sects can be adopted by
> vaidikas".
>
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